Hi there. Welcome back to the podcast. It is my absolute privilege to welcome back to the show Dr Michael Gradazar.

Michael welcome back.

Gidde mate, how are you?

I am very good and I'm excited now because we spoke about the basics of sleep and light in the last episode and right at the end we gave a little bit of a

teaser that this notion of screens and screen time that is often promoted in the media as having the

detrimental impact on sleep and circadian rhythm is maybe not as true as some people believe.

So today's episode is going to be all about screens and sleep.

I would say, said simply, your work has completely reorganized the mental

furniture on the deck of my understanding of screens and how they impact sleep.

And in truth in my book some years ago,

I was more than declarative, let's say,

dictatorial you could say, about how the light from screens was the main problem

when it comes to sleep and I also spoke about that in public but your work really made me change my mind and it has been such a

pleasure to go back out into the public and admit when you're wrong or at least

require a heavy heavy update and maybe we know some scientists or certainly

folks in the public that see admitting that you're wrong as a weakness meaning that okay you got it wrong but

with all respect and compassion to them I'm not a politician I'm not there to

hold my line I'm a there to hold my line. I'm a scientist. As a scientist, we're interested in the truth.

And if you've aligned with one truth, but the latest data violates that. I think the more concerning weakness would be to not abandon

your previous stance and revise your current belief set. And I'm getting ahead of my skis here,

but so let's first set the stage though,

and it's something that we mentioned right

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