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Today I have Gary Talbz. Gary is the author of three fairly recent books on nutrition,

Good Calories, Bad Calories, Why We Get Fat, and most recently the case against sugar. He's

a former staff writer for Discover and a correspondent for the Scientific Journal Science. His writing has

appeared in the New York Times magazine, the Atlantic Esquire. He's been included in numerous

best of anthologies, including the Best of American Science Writing 2010, received many awards,

and has become fairly controversial for the very strong position he has taken on diet and human

health and the degree to which he has criticized the field of nutrition science. He has the

nox and bruises to show for having courted such controversy, but we had a very interesting conversation,

and it's one that may actually influence how you eat and what you feed your kids. And now I bring you

Gary Talbz.

I am here with Gary Talbz. Gary, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Thank you, Sam. Pleasure to be here.

So let's start with your background as a journalist. I think many people are familiar with you,

but you have a long background as a science journalist, and you've now focused of late

on the science and pseudoscience of nutrition. And you've spent three books on this. You wrote

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