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🗓️ 23 April 2017
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Sam Harris speaks with Charles Murray about the controversy over his book "The Bell Curve," the validity and significance of IQ as a measure of intelligence, the problem of social stratification, the rise of Trump, universal basic income, and other topics.
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0:48.6 | Charles Murray is a political scientist and an author. He is most famous for having co-authored |
0:57.3 | the book The Bell Curve, along with the late Richard Herndstein. Now to say that this book was |
1:03.2 | controversial is really beyond an understatement. It is probably fair to say this is the most |
1:09.6 | controversial book in the last 50 years. Now the book looks at the growing role that intelligence |
1:17.6 | plays in modern societies, and the authors worry about a kind of cognitive partitioning of our |
1:23.0 | society into separate classes. There was a time when being a few standard deviations above the |
1:29.4 | mean and intelligence didn't get you very much when you're just plowing the fields alongside your |
1:35.2 | neighbors. But now you can start a software company or a hedge fund. Okay, and this leads to |
1:41.7 | astonishing levels of wealth inequality and cultural isolation. This is a theme that Murray has |
1:47.3 | returned to and his other work and in a more recent book coming apart, which we also discuss. |
1:54.4 | Now, unfortunately for Murray, what we have here is a set of nested taboos. Human intelligence itself |
2:04.0 | is a taboo topic. People don't want to hear that intelligence is a real thing and that some people |
2:08.7 | have more of it than others. They don't want to hear that IQ tests really measure it. They don't |
2:13.7 | want to hear the differences in IQ matter because they're highly predictive of differential success in |
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