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#798: Terry Real — Breaking the Rules of Traditional Couples Therapy for Superior Results, A Few Frameworks That Work

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🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

For this episode, I’m doing something a bit different. I’m featuring five chapters from the audiobook Fierce Intimacy by Terry Real. What you will hear in this episode will help you identify both your and your partner’s losing strategies in relationships, and help you move from disharmony to repair. Terry is the creator of Relational Life Therapy, or RLT, which underpins all his books, courses, and teachings and equips people with the powerful relational skills they need to make love work. He is also the author of five books, including the New York Times bestseller Us: Getting Past You and Me to Build a More Loving Relationship

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Excerpted from Fierce Intimacy: Standing Up to One Another with LOVE by Terry Real (Sounds True, 2018.). Used with permission.

[00:00:00] Who is Terry Real?

[00:03:11] Harmony, disharmony, and repair: The rhythm of all intimate human relationships.

[00:06:27] Harmony: Love without knowledge.

[00:07:01] Disharmony: Knowledge without love.

[00:10:01] Repair: Knowing love.

[00:10:35] Stay or go? A relational reckoning.

[00:12:04] Five losing strategies for getting from disharmony to repair.

[00:13:21] Being right: Objective reality has no place in personal relationships.

[00:16:35] Trying to control your partner: No one likes being controlled.

[00:21:35] Unbridled self-expression: The barf bag approach to intimacy.

[00:27:33] Retaliation: Offending from the victim position.

[00:32:13] Withdrawal: Provacative distance-taking.

[00:35:58] Shaking hands with your adaptive child — your losing strategy profile (LSP).

[00:38:08] Lessons learned by comparing your partner’s LSP with your own.

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0:00.0

Hello, ladies and germs, boys and girls. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss

0:05.2

show. For this episode, I'm going to offer something a little different. I'm going to introduce you to Terry Reel.

0:11.9

Terry Reel is by far the best relationship coach, the best couples therapist I have ever met. He does not just parrot back questions. If you ask him

0:23.6

what he thinks, he will not just ask you what you think. He has strong opinions, positions.

0:29.2

He says it straight. And first and foremost, he has a toolkit. He has practices that are incredibly

0:37.1

helpful for couples. And his name has come up

0:40.2

with various friends, ranging from Kevin Rose to Dr. Peter, Tia, and he does not disappoint. So in this

0:47.2

episode, because he is very, very hard to get a hold of for direct client work, you will get to,

0:53.1

in effect, hear him like you would in a real session.

0:56.1

And I've done real sessions with him.

0:57.9

So what you'll hear in this episode and learn, among other things, are number one, that relationships

1:02.6

are not always harmonious.

1:04.8

And that'll be obvious to anyone who's been married for a while, for instance.

1:07.8

But it is a constant cycle of harmony to disharmony and then repair.

1:13.0

So the critical skill set is repair.

1:16.8

And what I'm going to share in this episode, because I was so impressed by it, are a few chapters

1:21.5

from his book, Fierce Intimacy.

1:24.6

And this will provide you with a map for identifying losing strategies and replacing them

1:30.1

with winning strategies. These are real approaches that you can use. So a bit of background on

1:36.0

Terry. He is the creator of relational life therapy, or RLT, which underpins all of his books,

1:40.9

courses, teachings, and so on. He is also the author of five books, including the New York Times bestseller Us, subtitle,

1:47.1

Getting Past You and Me to Build a More Loving Relationship.

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