Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show,

where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers, people who are arguably the best at what they do.

How do they do it? What are their influences? Favorite books? Frameworks, lessons learned,

things that you can apply to your own life. And I have someone you may not have heard speak

before on the podcast today. Rich Barton, close friend of Chris Saka and some other guests we've had.

He is the co-founder and co-executive chairman of Zillow, a company transforming how people buy,

sell rent, and finance homes. Before Zillow, Rich founded Expedia within Microsoft

in 1994 and successfully spun the company off as a public company in 1999. He served as president,

CEO, and board director of Expedia, and later co-founded and served as non-executive chairman of Glassdoor.

He has done so many different companies,

and he has a lot of stories from the trenches, a lot that you can use that is tactical and

practical. He's also super fit, super active. I would say a great father and husband. He is an

incredible human being, sort of full stack.

And that's part of the reason I really wanted to have him on the show. We did it in person.

We covered a lot of ground. And I think you're going to enjoy it. I loved it. So,

with just a few words from the people who make this podcast possible, we'll get straight to

the meat and potatoes

and a wide-ranging conversation with none other than Rich Barton.

My first book, The Four Hour Workweek, which made everything else possible, is built around

the acronym and framework deal, D-E-A-L, define, eliminate, automate, and liberate. Now, of course, after you define all the things you want, your metrics, 80, 20, blah, blah, blah, then you want to get rid of as much as possible eliminate. But sometimes there are things that are a huge hassle, like expense management for a lot of companies, which you can't get rid of. They are essential to your business.

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