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Thanks for having man, I really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad you're here Jim. Yeah you've got a very interesting setup and I've talked to quite a few people work with you and your unconventional ways and you got a great reputation just so you know.

Yeah.

They think it's a conventional scientific.

Scientific.

Well, that reverse hyper, that machine that you created, I've talked about that a hundred times on my

podcast that thing has done wonders for my back and it's just a genius

product you're right good it's a genius product how did you invent that thing

all right I'm doing on the ceti I brought my lower back It's a genius product. How did you invent that thing?

I invented it on the Cessie. I brought my lower back in 1973.

You invented that thing in 73?

Well, I started the exercise.

Actually about 74 started the exercise. I brought my lower back in 73 and I was on crutches for 10 months and no one was helping me.

So I just come out, you know, I do back extensions where you hook your ankles and raise your everybody.

But that would kill my back. So I thought,

what if I did it in reverse? So I jumped up on a platform, dropped my legs, raised him up,

pumped up my back, didn't hurt, and that's how it was the beginning stages of it. And then years later, we've always been a private gym

when I was out onto the public.

So it was never out in the public.

And then I finally made a machine years later

and got my first patent in 1994.

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