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So, welcome to another episode of politics. So, welcome to another episode of the rest of politics leading with me,

Alisto Campbell and with me Rory Stewart. And we have our second American

interviewee, although technically our third because because Fyona Hill, though born British, became

an American citizen, and then Michael Johnson, an athlete, and now another athlete, somebody

who was once third in a mile race in New York as a young student,

but went on to bigger and better things as a very well known, well known globally in politics, longest serving independent

in the history of Congress, being a mayor, a congressman, a senator, two-time runner-up in the race for the Democratic nomination to be president.

And I guess you could say, Rory, the leader of a global progressive movement, I think he

probably sees himself in that way.

Very much and it's course you're talking about Bernie Sanders.

Indeed I am.

Yeah we're here to feel the burn and no so he's an extraordinary figure isn isn't he? And I suppose in Britain, we often see him through the lens of Jeremy Corbyn,

who again, I guess, was somebody who was seen as an idealist out on the socialist left of his party who managed to attract an extraordinary

youth vote. I mean in the case of Jeremy Corbyn doubled the Labour membership,

had people chanting for him at Glastonbury and Bernie Sanders an even bigger

version of the same phenomenon at about the same time. And an even older version he's now

81. Yeah and been around a long long long long time. I've just finished his book. He's actually in the UK because he's pretty, he's definitely got energy the guy, he's everywhere promoting his book. It's okay to be angry about capitalism.

And it is, for those who haven't read it, it's like listening to a kind of very, very, very

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