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Choiceology with Katy Milkman

A Clean Slate: With Guests John Beshears, Richard Thaler & Ray Zahab

Choiceology with Katy Milkman

Charles Schwab

Behavioral Economics, Society & Culture, Social Sciences, Decision Making, Charles Schwab, Business, Science, Investing, Dan Heath, Katy Milkman

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2019

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

For many people, the start of a new year is an occasion to re-examine their lives, to set new goals and to give up old habits. Making New Year’s resolutions is something of a social ritual, but we see similar behaviors around other significant dates, as well--such as birthdays and anniversaries and the changing of seasons. And while it can be argued that all of these dates are arbitrary, studies show that they can still give you a head start in achieving your goals. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman, we examine the common but not always rational phenomenon whereby people divide their lives into chapters. We look at ways to leverage this phenomenon to make better choices. The episode begins on a riverbank, with an age-old ritual of personal renewal. Many religious traditions have codified this tendency to divide life into distinct segments. Next, we hear about Ray Zahab’s life changing New Year’s resolution. What began as a simple plan to live a healthier lifestyle, ended up taking him on incredible adventures all around the world. Ray is the author of the book Running For My Life. From Ray’s story of personal transformation around an auspicious date, we pivot to a related tendency for people to separate their money into mental accounts. Money, like time, is fungible--one dollar is as useful as any other dollar--and yet people often divide their money into different categories. Why? Nobel laureate and best-selling author Richard Thaler explains the value of this cognitive bias, and explores some of the peculiar behaviors people exhibit when they earmark their money for different purposes. And John Beshears of the Harvard Business School describes a study that exposes this bias in the way people perceive the value of grocery store coupons. Finally, Katy Milkman offers additional tips on leveraging these temporal landmarks and personal budgets to help you stick with your resolutions.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's early morning, Sunday.

0:04.8

It's early on the mountain over the hills and everywhere. It's early morning, Sunday, a congregation wades slowly into a sun-dappled river,

0:19.8

weeping willows sway on the banks.

0:30.0

We baptize you in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. Amen.

0:31.0

Amen. the water washing away past sins,

0:42.8

the opportunity to start a new chapter in your life,

0:45.8

to leave the old you behind and begin anew.

0:49.8

We see similar rituals in other traditions, the blowing of the Shofar to mark the end of

0:57.6

Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement and the beginning of a new chapter in life,

1:02.3

the personal renewal that comes from

1:03.9

confessions in the Catholic Church, the smudging ceremonies that many Native

1:08.2

Americans use to clear the air of negative emotions and energy.

1:13.0

And of course, there's a secular tradition of

1:16.0

out with the old, in with the new,

1:18.0

at the beginning of every new year. What is it about these moments of ritual that give them so much power?

1:28.8

The power to absolve you of sins, the power to wipe the slate clean, the power to start over.

1:35.0

On this episode, we're looking at a psychological phenomenon that you can leverage to help you achieve your goals.

1:41.0

Whether that's cleaning your house or finishing an ultra marathon.

1:47.0

I'm Katie Milkman and this is Choiceology, an original podcast from Charles Schwab.

1:57.0

It's a show about decisions, big ones and small ones, along with the subtle biases that affect those decisions.

2:05.1

We guide you through a world of hidden psychological forces that influence everything

2:09.3

from grocery lists to government budgets. And we do it all to help you about Ray Zayhab. His story is about personal transformation. And while the how and why parts of his big decision are fascinating, it's the when I'm most interested in. Ray Zahab was not an athletic kid.

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