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A "Made for TV" Deportation Policy

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Mass deportations were a big part of Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential campaign and now in office, he’s making good on the wide-sweeping aspects of his policy, though the numbers aren’t yet massive. Most recently, he’s justified these actions through the 1798 Alien Enemies Act which only applies during wartime. When a judge attempted to halt the deportations to evaluate this use of the rarely-utilized law, Trump called for him to be impeached.  Guest: Michelle Hackman, U.S. immigration policy reporter in The Wall Street Journal's Washington bureau.  Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your  other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:26.7

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0:35.9

When Donald Trump was still campaigning for office, do you remember what he said he was going to do about immigration?

0:46.0

He talked about revving up the largest deportation operation in U.S. history.

0:53.0

Two months in, I'm here to tell you, he has not done that.

0:58.0

You know, it's interesting.

1:00.4

I learned this from Michelle Hackman over at the Wall Street Journal.

1:04.6

The number of deportations is actually not that far above Biden levels, as far as we can tell so far.

1:12.9

Trump's immigration policy, Michelle says.

1:15.6

It's made for TV.

1:17.9

It just seems to be like they are doing a much more public job of arresting and deporting people

1:25.4

and targeting very different people than the Biden administration was,

1:29.5

which is catching a lot of attention, scaring people.

1:32.5

And I think it's a purposeful tactic because they want a lot of people to self-deport.

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