Hello there. This is Mark Bauerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

You may have seen a recent article in inside higher ed.com that began,

Wyoming Catholic College has a lot of unusual things about it,

each enough to merit a story in itself.

Wyoming Catholic is a conservative Catholic college

that educates students in the great books and Catholic tradition.

It also teaches horsemanship and banned cell phones on campus.

I love that.

And it turned down federal funding.

President Glenn Arbery describes the mission this way.

This college is engaged in deep ways with the agony of a culture that has lost its spiritual center.

We're adventurous and poetic and deeply Catholic.

He likes to cite Dostoevsky in crime and punishment. Low ceilings are bad for the soul.

The ceilings rise at Wyoming Catholic, which is located in the foothills of the Wind River

Mountains, the curriculum centers in the Western tradition.

Its Catholic identity builds upon Thomas Aquinas in the Magisterium of the Catholic Church

and engaging with God in the wilderness. Find out more at Wyoming Catholic.edu.

David Horowitz is with us today. His life story is well told in a notable memoir, Radical Sun,

which recounts his early life on the left and turn to the right in the 70s and 80s.

He was with us last year to discuss another book.

For the last 20 plus years, he's been one of the leading conservative intellectuals,

activists in the United States.

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