ABUNDANCE! With Ezra Klein

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.8 • 1.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Donald Trump is serving up a scarcity agenda to America. He and the White House say we don’t have an economy that works, so we might just need to accept a period of economic hardship. They say America cannot afford its debt, and therefore we cannot afford health care for the poor. They say America doesn’t have enough manufacturing, so we have to accept less trade. They say America doesn’t have enough housing, and so we need fewer immigrants. America needs the opposite of this scarcity mindset to grow and thrive. We need an abundance agenda. But what does that mean? The answer to that question is in my new book, which I cowrote with the New York Times columnist and podcaster Ezra Klein. He is also today’s guest. We talk about ‘Abundance’ the book, and why it exists. And we talk about abundance the idea, and why it matters. (You can buy the book here!) If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Ezra Klein Producer: Devon Baroldi P.S. If you live in Seattle, Atlanta, or the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area, Derek is coming your way in March! See him live at book events in your city. Tickets here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:30.8	White Lotus! Let's go.
0:34.6	Today, abundance.
0:38.4	In his recent address to Congress, Donald Trump promised a golden age of America.
0:44.8	But when you take a closer look at his policies, when you squint through the blur of tariffs added and removed and re-added and re-removed,
0:53.8	I think the picture that moves into focus is something
0:56.7	very different than an expansive vision of the future. It's something more like a pinched vision
1:03.4	of the present. Again and again, the Trump White House has pointed to existing shortages
1:10.1	to demand new sacrifices.
1:13.6	They say America cannot afford our debt, and therefore we can't afford health care for the poor.
1:19.6	They say America doesn't have enough manufacturing, and so we must accept less trade.
1:25.6	They say America doesn't have enough housing.
1:29.1	And so we need fewer immigrants.
1:32.2	Less for less.
1:34.6	This looks to me like a regime of scarcity.
1:39.3	Now, of course, Republicans will disagree.
1:41.5	They'll argue that in the long run,
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