Hello podleters, I hope you're well. In this week's episode I speak to author, journalist

and public speaker, Perdner Bell. Perdner's work specialises in women's issues, diversity,

fitness and mental health and we talk about dating, aging, learning to be yourself and

so much more. I absolutely love speaking to Perdner and I hope you enjoyed the episode. As

always, please do rate review and subscribe. Happy listening. Bye.

I'm not a genius. I'm a genius. I definitely am someone who spends time by myself and over the

years I've done a lot of solo travel but I've never really intentionally taken myself out on a date

and by that I mean, so for me there's a ritual attached to it which is that I will dress in a

certain way in something that I think I look good in. I'll do my face. Food is also always a

massive part of it so I'll plan where I'm going to eat and I'll usually do something like maybe

go to a gallery or maybe go and do a bit of shopping. The one rule that I have is that I can't be

on WhatsApp or I can't be on my phone too much during the day because otherwise it just really takes

me out of the moment but I love doing it. It really, really fills my cup. How do you listen to things

out? Because when I first started taking myself up for meals I found it really hard to do it without

like a book or a podcast. Are you completely unnatural or do you have something in form of like?

No, I usually will have a book with me. So for example if I'm doing the date thing yeah I will

definitely have a book with me or I will just be observing what's going on around me but if I do

let's say solo travel I'll always have my phone on me. You know, you've got to be done. So I love

that and I know that you're in a new happy relationship, more new-ish and you've been single for a while.

How much have you taken from that like or period where you weren't in a serious relationship? How

many things have you taken into this relationship? Are you trying to keep like those pockets of doing

things to yourself even now that you're like coupled up kind of thing? Yeah, we're both

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