It's ridiculous to hear that there are people who are chanting for freedom that are saying,

from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. And there are literally people who are saying,

kill them all, murder all of them, level it, take them all out. And those two things are being equated to each other. One is calling for

freedom, for freedom of all people, for equality and for democracy. And the other is literally

calling for genocide. And we're, and we're having to fight those two battles at the same time it's i i've never

i've never understood or or fathom how those two things could even um no one's calling out

the genocidal speak but everyone is calling out this the conversation about freedom

hey everyone this is Abby Martin.

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Alana, thank you so much for coming on the Empire Files. It's really great to talk to you.

Your family is probably the most well-known Palestinian family in the world. Your sisters, Gigi and Bella, are

supermodels, very well-known. Your dad is a real estate mogul. You, your sister Mariel, and your

brother, Anwar, are all fashion icons. There is so much pressure on your family to stay silent about what Israel is doing,

but you have been very vocal. You've been posting almost daily about the genocide going in

Gaza. And Alana, you've never done an interview about this. And so I really appreciate you

taking the time. I really appreciate you going on my platform to talk to me.

I mean, I appreciate you, Abby.

Like, I think I was a fan of yours in a lot of ways,

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