seeing the stress that it puts on on everyone around you and and not really fully understand.

Obviously, I have no concept of what geopolitical war and intention means as a, as a like eight-year-old.

But I do understand what it means to see my mom cry.

I'm having to pass pass through checkpoints was something

that I always thought was like just a part of life. There was still checkpoints up to up to like

the early 2000s in the South. And you feel you feel the energy completely shift when we come up to these things. You feel the fear in people

that you look to for comfort and security and reassurance. And to look to someone like a family

member for that and not see it because they're scared at such a young age will leave an impression on you.

And even though I had no idea why things were happening,

I knew that things were happening and they were negatively affecting us.

Hey, everyone, this is Abby Martin.

You're listening to the audio version of this episode,

which you can watch at YouTube.com

slash Empire Files.

Sarah, hi.

Hi, how are you?

I'm great.

Thank you so much for coming on the Empire Files.

I have to say that I was very thrilled that you responded to me and that you wanted to come on.

Are you kidding?

You're literally an idol of mine. I am so honored to be speaking with you.

I'm very much looking forward to this. I have so much respect and admiration for you.

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