Archive Episode: Scams, Magic and the Art of Deception With Alexis Conran
The Perfect Scam
AARP
4.5 • 980 Ratings
🗓️ 20 December 2024
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
In this 2022 episode, host Bob Sullivan welcomes special guest Alexis Conran. Conran’s insight into the mind of a con man comes from acting as one on the popular BBC show The Real Hustle. On the series, Conran, an actual trained magician, and his team perpetrate scams on unsuspecting consumers and then reveal the crimes to the victims (now in the hundreds), all in the name of educating the public. Conran discusses what he’s learned about the criminal mindset and what he has identified as the elements of deception.
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| 0:00.0 | This week on the perfect scam. |
| 0:03.5 | What psychological principles are involved to convince someone of your story? |
| 0:09.8 | Because essentially, Bob, that's it, isn't it? |
| 0:11.7 | A scam is a story. It's a narrative. |
| 0:13.9 | And my job as a hustler is just to get you to believe in me and believe in the story. |
| 0:17.9 | That's all I'm trying to do. |
| 0:35.7 | Welcome back to the perfect scam. I'm your host, Bob Sullivan. Know your enemy. That's always smart, and when you're trying to fight scams and avoid scams, it's |
| 0:39.4 | great to be educated about all the ways criminals can manipulate victims into surrendering |
| 0:45.1 | personal information or money or love. |
| 0:49.3 | Few people on earth are better at understanding the criminal mind than today's guest. |
| 0:55.0 | He's Alexis Conran, star of the British TV show The Real Hustle. |
| 0:59.3 | A trained magician, Alexis plays a con man on the show, all in the name of helping people |
| 1:04.8 | understand crime and scams a little better. |
| 1:08.3 | We interviewed Alexis for the perfectam a couple of years ago, |
| 1:11.5 | and as we hit the holiday season and get ready for a set of all new episodes for 2025, |
| 1:17.1 | we decided to dig up this conversation from the archives and share it with you again. |
| 1:22.4 | You know, a big theme of the Perfect Scam is that anyone can become a victim of a crime. |
| 1:27.6 | Well, I think Alexis's ability to explain how the criminal mind works |
| 1:31.3 | and how you can avoid becoming the victim of a scam is invaluable. |
| 1:36.5 | So, here's our conversation. |
| 1:57.6 | Thank you. My name is Alexis Conran. I am a TV presenter and a radio host. And I guess the thing that really sort of propelled me into the world of presenting was a show that I did, |
| 2:02.4 | ooh, a few years back now. It was called The Real Hustle. And it was a sort of a one-of-a-kind show |
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