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I'm your host to Lee's Hugh. Today the case for boring leadership.

Historian Martin Gutman says the people who can most effectively lead teams or

expeditions or big changes don't seek attention.

They go unnoticed and we're making a mistake when we confuse loudness for leadership.

He delves into this idea after a short break from our sponsors.

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And now our TED Talk of the Day. I would like to invite you on a little thought experiment.

Let's pretend that we're going on a polar expedition together.

All of you and me, and we need to hire a captain.

And we have two resumes in front of us. One comes from a man who has

already successfully achieved all four of the major polar goals,

the North Pole and the South Pole and the Northeast and the Northwest Passage.

In fact, three of these, he was the first person to accomplish.

Let's call him candidate A.

Candidate B is a man who set off for the Antarctic four times, three times is the man in charge, and every time resulted in failure,

catastrophe. resulted in failure, catastrophe, or death.

Who should we hire?

That's not meant to be a trick question. I think it's obvious we want candidate A.

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