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Sandra Glon is Professor of Media Arts and Worship at Dallas Theological Seminary, author of many books, including, I love this title, Vindicating the Vixens, and also Earl

Gray with Ephesians.

I like that too. Her new book is Nobody's Mother, Artemis of the

Ephesians, in antiquity and the New Testament. That's our topic today. Welcome, Professor Glon.

Thank you so much. My pleasure. All right. Now, your title designates artemus but your opening pages uh signal nobody's mother and it gets a

little personal do you want to describe there what what happened maybe uh quite a while ago and how

changed you yeah so there was a journey to why in the world,

what does Artemis have to do with anything? And it is rooted in my journey through infertility with my

husband. I went to the fourth of five children, raised with a mother who was a lot like

Maria von Trapp, on son of the music, just wonderful childhood and longed to be a mother myself, one of the big

family. And it never occurred to me that we might hit infertility of anything. It occurred

to me I might have 19 kids like Susanna Wesley. So when my husband and I hit the brick wall of

infertility, not only was it a marital crisis,

ethical crisis, morals, all those financial, but it was a spiritual crisis because rooted

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