You're listening to This Naked Mind with Annie Grace.

Welcome, Heather to where are they now? I am so excited to connect with you. We just started speaking a little bit before

this, and I know we're going to have so many great things to touch on. So first of all, I want to say

thank you for joining me. Your story has inspired so many, and as I listen to it, it's really neat

because we can have different stories, but hear parts of ourselves within that story. So I just wanted to say

welcome. We are so excited to catch up with you. So we're going to hear where you are now. And I'm

going to go through like a little bit of your story, which is really powerful and interesting,

but I would also love to hear you touch on that as well. Well, thank you. It's so great to meet you.

It's so great to be back. It feels like to be back feels like a lifetime so i talked to

and yeah i'm just really excited to be here awesome well we're really excited and i'm not going to say

anything about years but we just talked about something earlier and it's been a while since you've talked to

annie so i'm going to imagine that lots has changed.

But you mentioned in the beginning of your story, right, you grew up in a Mormon household.

So everything was off limits, abstinence for all things. And it's really interesting what can

happen in our first experience drinking, pulled aside from a guy, telling all of deceit,

magical things. And in so many of your

experiences you talked about connecting right and believing the alcohol was such a big part of that

connection and so i love it you said it was the best worst introduction it was and it's really

interesting because i've been thinking about that a lot lately.

We talk about liquid courage and drinking as a social lubricant.

And in many ways, that's true.

We do say things that we wouldn't otherwise say, you know, we lower our inhibitions. And I think that there's this very tale perspective around that where it's like, oh, we think we're

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