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hello and welcome back to baby steps. I'm Dr. Dana Abraham and as always I am

joined to introduce this episode by my big sister licensed clinical therapist Dr Naomi Bernstein.

Hey bittersweet this is the last episode for season two. It is yes It's our last episode. This season was a little tough for me. I kind of felt like again like I would have it all figured out again by the end of the season. Not the case. and some days, you know, with anything that you're sort of like personally going through, it was tougher for me than others, but overall I'm really happy we did the season. I thought we got a great range of new guests. We got a lot of

different perspectives. A lot of people, we got a lot of surrogacy I think, a lot more

surrogacy than I had even anticipated, but every surrogacy story was a little different than

previous ones, so I was glad to get like a large range of different types of

experiences. But for today's episode I got to speak to Maurice

Schma which I was so happy that he agreed to come on and talk about his

experience because he's really talking about male factor

infertility and his personal experience going through it and it was really

interesting to hear him talk about it to talk about how there's really not much

out there for men going through infertility it's very like not

spoken about and he was saying even when you know when he and his wife would tell

people that they're going through it the immediate assumption would be that it was her.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So, yeah, and he would say he would always correct them

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