Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Batia Ungarsargan, deputy

opinion editor of Newsweek. She's written for the Washington Post, The New York Times and

The Daily Beast. Batia is the author of Bad News. How woke media is undermining democracy.

I wanted to talk to her because I see her on Bill Maher and she was fantastic on that. She's

talked about class in a way that I've not heard it discussed for a long time and the

importance that we find new ways of connecting and communicating that our media have bad intentions

in dividing us and creating cultural conflicts that aren't going to be resolved and that

and sometimes I think they're not interested in resolving. You're going to love this conversation.

Here's some of your shout outs from previous episodes.

Kerry says, I particularly loved the Chris Hedges discussion showing his integrity and passion

in his journalism and greater works. I hope ordinary people can emulate such bravery in

servicing their own ways. Even if censorship totalitarianism is essential prevails, at least you

and many others resist. And in a sense, mate, like ordinary people, we are ordinary people.

Chris Hedges is an ordinary person. I'm ordinary person with ordinary people. What I like about Chris

is, or what I think he's telling about Chris, is that this is someone that 10 years ago worked

for the New York Times and now can't be on Russia today. If you want a monitor of how

censorship is moving, look at the career of Chris Hedges. Pull it surprise, winning journalists.

Wendy Van Monstoom, I love your podcast. I've listened to everyone. I'm very

little follower and I look forward to listening while taking a walk for a part close to my home.

Well, I hope you're doing that right now. I really enjoy your vocabulary and the way you

so eloquently express your ideas and questions. It really is one of the highlights of my week.

Thank you from Canada. Wendy, thank you very much. I'm glad you're enjoying it.

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