Hello and welcome to the Buller podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

I'm so excited to have back Ben with us.

He's editor-in-chief of Lawfare, senior fellow, and governance studies at the Brookings

Institution.

He also writes dog shirt daily on substack. What's up,

Ben? Oh, you know, it's just another day in paradise. You know, every time you think you've hit

bottom, you scratch and there's a Dan Bongino underneath. I mean, you know, I got to tell you, Tim, I've been ready for a lot of

things. That one I was not ready for. I think it's cute that you think that we were at or near the

bottom. We're not even, we can't even see the bottom from here, Ben. I'm just, you know,

when you're falling down a well, it always feels like, not that I've

fallen down a well before, but it always feels like you're about to hit the bottom and then

you realize there is no bottom.

It just goes down into the center of the earth and there is Dan Pongino waiting for you.

Hugging you on the way down, bringing you down with him. We're going to get to Dan Bonino.

We've got so much to get to. I've been binging on the lawfare part. I'm not alone. Actually,

I had a friend that sent me a screenshot of something and there, you know, if you're playing on

car play, it accidentally gives you a

double screenshot have you ever done that where you send a text to someone and anyway they were

also listening to the lawfare pod so many of us want to understand what's happening in the law

you know i appreciated you know you and esra klein saying uh that things must be really bad if you were listening to

the Lawfare podcast again. A lot of people took a break from us for four years. And, you know,

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