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Hello everybody. Welcome back to Revolutionary left radio. I'm your host Ann Comrade, Bred O'Shay. And today we have back on Alex Ovenia to talk about Chile, Yenday, Pinachet, the CIA and that entire event.

Alex was a guest on our previous episode about the Mexican Revolution and the Zapotistas. And today he's actually coming to us from inside the Atlanta airport on his way to Spain.

So we really appreciate you Alex taking the time to find a little bit of a quiet space in the airport to do this interview. We really appreciate it. What's up?

Yeah, no problems. Thanks, man. I appreciate the invitation to be on again. For sure. I like having repeat guests because we kind of know each other a little bit. We're a little more comfortable. And the conversation seems to get better every time I have somebody back on.

But for those who missed our previous episode on the Mexican Revolution, would you just like to maybe introduce yourself and say a little bit about your background?

Sure. So I'm a professor of history at Arizona State University. I'm a historian really of modern Mexico. But I teach modern Latin American history courses and and revolution courses and the Chilean cases one that I always I always teach. But more so than that, I think I became a historian because of a book that I read as an undergraduate in a revolution's class.

This wonderful book by Peter Wynne Weaver's of Revolution, which looks at this revolutionary process from below. So that's that book and it's oral history component really got me into thinking about wanting to be a historian. So I have like this weird personal connection to Chile.

Did you want to say anything else about what got you more and more interested as you learned more about the history of Chile and everything that happened? What got you interested in it to really pursue it as you have?

Sure. So in addition, while I was an undergraduate, I had a political scientist professor whose whose husband and partner was actually a Chilean popular unity activist who was captured and tortured in the National Soccer Stadium in Santiago.

So it's just these personal interests came together while I was undergraduate as a as a professor as I teach this revolutionary process. One of the things that interests me about Chile is its uniqueness in terms of trying to construct this revolutionary process in a way that's different than these other

other revolutions that tend to take more attention in Latin American history. So our last episode we talk about the Mexican Revolution, this apatistas, the Cuban Revolution is another Latin American Revolution that gets a lot of attention. Maybe the Nicaragua Revolution is on the eight seventies, but Chile sometimes gets lost in a more popular sense.

And what's always fascinating about Chile is that they try to construct socialism from below through a different means, right? Through following a country's legalistic constitutional and historical traditions.

And I think that's one of the things that stands out about this revolutionary process that continues to fascinate me to this day.

Yeah, and I think we will get into that as this episode goes on, but would you would you sort of define the Chilean revolution as a democratic socialist revolution as opposed to a purely armed Marxist or anarchist revolution?

I would just call it a it was a socialist revolution, right? I think splitting that to me at least and I think to some of the popular unity activists and maybe even I in there, there's no need to put the democratic before the socialist part because they are not going to be a socialist revolution.

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