Hello and welcome to The Rundown, a podcast from Politics Home.

I'm your host, Alan Tollast, and this week we're returning to the cost of living crisis,

specifically the continued pressure on household bills, and what can be done to bring them down

as families continue to feel the squeeze. We'll be to discuss what role energy efficiency could play in tackling fuel poverty,

or what measures people are looking for from government to help bring down their bills,

I'm delighted to be joined by Ben Jensen, Group Executive, Vice President and Energy Solutions provider, Grunfos,

as well as Scarlett Maguire, director of the pollsters, JL partners,

and my colleague here at

Polholm, political reporter, Nadine Bachelor Hunt. So I'll start by just kind of asking what

do you kind of mean when we talk about energy efficiency measures in both kind of domestic and

kind of commercial settings? Ben, could you just outline what those kind of measures are and how they

might have an impact on kind of measures are and how they might have an

impact on kind of on bills in the future?

Sure. Thanks for the question. So energy efficiency is kind of what we normally could call

the first few. So what you can do in order to reduce your energy consumption is actually

the best way of solving the energy crisis

and finding ways to solve the constant pressure we have on energy consumption in buildings

and across the main board.

And so what kind of specifically, so things like, I guess, changing people's boilers

or servicing them or bringing in kind of more efficient appliances.

What are the kind of things that individuals can do in that sense to kind of bring down those bills?

So if you look at the buildings in general, then of course you could look at the building envelope,

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