All right, joining us now is Steven Zanzinger, a person whose case you may be familiar with

from the show.

He has just gotten out of court in what is the first week of his trial.

I'm not going to belabor the whole backstory.

You should go back and listen to my two previous interviews with Steven.

But I just want to check in now, now that the trial has begun and just ask you, you've

been under house arrest for two years now.

What did it feel like to finally be in the inside of a court trying your case?

And what have you seen so far in the opening days of this trial?

Well, thank you for having me once again.

Love your podcast.

Basically, this is a very bizarre, unfair trial.

It's not a trial.

As trials are commonly understood in the United States, there's no question that I will

be convicted.

There's no jury, the judge, but Red Epresse, as a member of the Federalist Society, Chevron's

a major funder.

It's the first corporate prosecution.

My prosecutor comes not from the government, but from a private law firm that has Chevron

as a client.

It's just really bizarre.

And I would say it's unprecedented.

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