Hi everyone. I'm Brinay Brown and welcome to unlocking us.

Oh God this conversation is so

provocative and compelling and new in some really, okay let me see if this makes

sense to y'all it's new and very ancient ways I don't know if that makes sense,

but I am talking to Dr. Sean Jen Wright.

He's a professor and a researcher.

He's an author of four books, including this new book

that we're gonna be talking about.

The four pivots, reimaginingining justice reimagining ourselves. This whole book is

centered on one question. Can we heal the world without healing ourselves? And I've always believed the answer is no,

but I've never seen anyone propose a more daring solution

than what's in this book in this conversation.

I'm glad y'all are here.

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