Now young people have access to, or should I say, the whole world has access to our young people.

And we've kind of lost, kind of, I don't like to use the bird control, but I can't think of a better one right now,

but we've kind of lost the control of how we're raising our children. And I'm just,

I think that in a way I'm kind of hoping as well that social media companies do kind of wake up

and realise that they've got a moral responsibility as well.

Hello and welcome to waysays to Change the World.

I'm Christian Guri Murthy, and this is the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people

about the big ideas in their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

My guest this week came to prominence in a way she would never have wanted.

Esther Jai is the mother of Brianna Jai, the 16-year-old trans girl who was murdered

in horrific circumstances last year.

And Esther became famous for her reaction as much as anything, her understanding, her willingness

to meet the mother of one of

Brianna's killers, and the way she spoke about understanding the difficulties of parenting

teenagers. Since then, she has started campaigning for a couple of big issues, both of which are really current and in the news as well internationally.

Esther, thank you very much for coming in.

Thank you for having me here.

Just tell me what the two big ideas are.

So the first idea is to get mindfulness into schools across England, and the second one is to make the online world safer, whether that's by increasing the age of social media or by helping parents to protect their children online by improving online safety and parental controls.

Okay, well, we'll unpack both of those ideas.

I mean, the second one on online safety, you're also doing a podcast about called Parents versus the Internet.

And it's a really current idea because, obviously, in Australia, the government has just said it's backing the idea of stopping under 16-year-olds from accessing social media.

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