Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World.

I'm Christian Guru Murthy and this is the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas in their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

My guest this week is, well, how can I describe him? He does a bit of everything. He's a composer, comedian, writer, actor, screenwriter.

And now he's got a book.

Tim Minchin in fact likes to be, I think the word he's used is unpigeonholable.

So he doesn't really want to be described as anything in particular.

But he also says, the thing I am best in the world at is being a science-obsessed,

uber-rhymy, polemicist, pianist, singer, satirist, white.

With apologies for the language. It's his, not mine.

Welcome.

Thanks.

Do you not use that? You've never used the word.

I feel like you're a man who's used the word before.

I may use it a lot.

And we do use it in this podcast.

But generally we try not to swear on the podcast.

That's a really good note for me.

Now we already have, so it doesn't matter.

Yeah, okay.

We have to put the explicit language warning on the...

Now that you've quoted me saying the W's word. This book, you don't have to have a dream,

advice for the incrementally ambitious, came from three speeches you did to students.

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