Hello, this is Emma Ganon and thank you for listening to this podcast. I just wanted to let you know that my new book, The Success Myth, Letting Go of Having It All, is out on May the 18th.

I think it's my best book yet, so I'm excited for it to come out. And the book unpicks the eight success myths from happiness, to money, to productivity, to celebrity, to the idea of finally arriving.

And how chasing a version of success that doesn't align with your values can really take you off track and this book is about getting back to yourself.

Breaking free, finding a new way forward. And it's available on May the 18th. If you love this podcast, you'll love the book and it's available soon from all good bookshops.

So you can order yours now. I hope you like it.

Hello, this is a replay episode from 2021 with the award-winning author Catherine Gray. She's best known for her books, which are in a series of the unexpected joy of.

So the unexpected joy of being sober, the unexpected joy of being single. She is a brilliant self-help author who I love and this is her eighth sober year.

She's brought out a book now called Sunshine Warm Sober, the unexpected sober joy that lasts, which is all about her journey up until now.

How to set boundaries, how to continue on your sober journey, how to change the way you live to create a better life for you and the people around you.

And I just find Catherine's writing really raw and reflective and always helps the reader to root for themselves and learn more about themselves.

So I hope you enjoyed this episode. It was recorded in back in 2021 and I wanted to replay it for you.

Congratulations on your new book, Sunshine Warm Sober. It was a such a good read and really kind of not what I expected.

I don't know what I expected, but it's so creatively written. You've got these vignettes in there and there's you kind of even got scenes like they're from a play and you've just told this story in such a magical way.

So I just wanted to start off with congratulations for this book.

Thank you so much. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I think people listening will know you from the unexpected joy of books, especially the unexpected joy of being sober, which was the book I feel on that topic.

And I know you did so many interviews about it, but this book feels so, so different. And I guess I wanted to start off just by asking you why you felt the need to write this one because it really does feel like you're covering a different chapter.

And I think it speaks on the whole that life doesn't just end in this happily ever after full stop thing. It's like life continues and this book really speaks to that.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I pretty much when I published the unexpected joy of being sober, which was sort of like the publishing equivalent of pulling a pin from a grenade and seeing if it blew up in my face.

It was so ridiculously raw and honest and gritty and just letting it all hang out.

And I was four years sober when I published it. So I was kind of ready for it. But what I wasn't really expecting was that now I'm just coming up on eight years sober that I was going to learn pretty much an equal amount in the last four years about staying sober and being happy and being of, you know, semi functioning adult.

And that I would want to share all of that as well. So it's a bit like Yoda says much to learn you still have. And I just tried to around myself that every day. I'm like, my cup is never full, my cup is never full.

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