Hello, this is Emma Ganon, and thank you for listening to this podcast. I just wanted to let you know that my new book, The Success Myth, Letting Go of Having It All, is out on May the 18th.

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And this book is about getting back to yourself, breaking free, finding a new way forward.

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Hello, this is a replay episode of Controlled Out Delete. It was recorded back in 2021 with a writer Ian Leslie. He is the author of multiple books on human behavior. He writes about psychology, culture, technology, and business.

And he writes for the new statesman, the economist, the guardian, and so many more. He also writes a substack called The Ruffian, with articles around why you should disagree with yourself, cultural topics.

And in this episode, we discuss his new book conflicted, why arguments are tearing us apart, and how they can bring us back together again.

Really enjoy this chat on why disagreeing is a good thing, and how we can all disagree better. Hope you enjoy this episode.

So I'm really excited today to have Ian Leslie on the podcast. I've been wanting to do an episode on how to have better conversations, or how to disagree better, and the power of conflict for so long.

And when your book arrived, I just, it was such a great read. I learned so much more about the topic and yeah, we all need to talk more. So thank you for coming on.

Oh, thank you. That is very nice to hear. Nice to be here.

So I actually wanted to start off with something that you mentioned in the acknowledgments of your book. I'm just very nosy.

You wrote the book in Paris. Is that right? What led you there? And what was it like writing it?

I wrote some of the book in Paris. I was there for a couple of months, I think, in the last stage of writing of the book.

I was writing in residence at a wonderful place, institution called the American Library in Paris, which is what it says on the tin.

It's an English language library run and funded by American philanthropists.

It's been there for, I think ever since that surely after the Second World War.

And one of the nice things they do is they have a writer who's working on a project to come and, you know, you just kind of have a slot in the library and they kind of help you out with accommodation.

And, and you just have to, you know, be part of the life of the library and do it a couple of talks and,

and there's a lovely community around the place. So it was very, very nice. I had to persuade my wife and my young children,

that this was an essential part of the writer's task to go and essentially be, you know, a flannel in Paris for a couple of months.

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