Welcome to the New York Times Popcast, you are I would never own a pair of

fugly jeans of music, news, and criticism. I am your host John Caramonica. We broke up on a Tuesday kicked me out.

With the rent paid ruined my credit. So at the beginning there we were listening to one of the good chapel early songs not the early early songs but an earlier song, My Kink is Karma.

Just a robust wrestling song full of kiss-offs and

Tisk-Tisks, just a real bin through it type of record.

It has been quite a year for Chappell.

The Rise Involved Midwest Princess, which came out actually technically a year ago,

seems to be peeking on the Billboard album chart right now.

She got about seven singles doing all different kinds of things on different platforms and charts.

Chapel Room is inescapable right now.

I, as y'all know, was on leave for much of the summer,

and then one of the first things I did when I came back

is I got to go see Chapel Live.

Was gonna go see her at a festival here in New York that she

canceled on. Head scratch, but we're going to talk about it. So then I flew to Tennessee

to see one of the last states of her tour this year. I wanted to talk someone who was tapped in to Chapel not just

today and yesterday but also all the way back in the in the hinterlands of

mid-23. Life is so different now. So we got Claire Dodson here. Claire Dodson

is the Associate Director for Culture at Teen Vogue. Claire has been on top of the Chapel Beat. Let's

good. How you doing? I'm good. Thanks so much for having me.

Dialing in from Konday Wi-Fi. This is a particularly elite if you're thinking the sound

quality is extra good now you know why you understand what's happening.

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