Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World. I'm Christian Giri Murthy and this is the podcast

in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas in their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

My guest this week is Christo Grogsv. He's an open source journalist and he made his name on the Bellingat

website and organisation exposing Russian intelligence, exposing Russian spies. And he's been instrumental

in a number of court cases around the world and has put people behind bars. He's paid an

intensely high price for it as well. It's dramatically changed the way he has to live. He is

essentially separated from his family.

And he was the target of that Bulgarian spiring that was exposed in London very recently.

He was on the kill list. Welcome. Thank you. Krista Grosjev, how would you change the world?

I can imagine a better world. I don't think I can change it.

I wish the world was learning from the best and not going to the lowest common denominator, which is what we are seeing in the last 20 years.

And I wish the world had a country that is the beacon of a higher moral ground, which used to

be the case when I was growing up.

There was the United States.

There was that beacon.

A very fictional one, but yet a beacon that could be a country that others could sort of

align themselves to.

And that's gone.

So I'm afraid that that is the biggest problem

in the world, from my point of view. There's no one country or one group of countries that

can say we are the ones that stick to the moral truth and to morality. That's gone. So I wish

that could be brought back. You're a very unusual kind of journalist.

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