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We have with us today, NITU Arnold. She is Senior Research Associate at the National Association of Scholars.

That is n-AS.org, if some of you wish to look up NAS online. And she is the author of a report.

The NAS does a lot of reports monitoring higher education. This was a report that I thought would

interest our listeners. It is called

priced out what college costs America. Welcome, Nitu. Hi, thank you for having me. All right.

Question number one. How does your, well, let me, let me quote something in the

press release about the report. It says, colleges and universities have facilitated a massive

transfer of wealth from American families to higher education bureaucracies through rising tuition and student debt.

There, okay, so there we have the thesis. How does your report lay out that massive transfer?

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