This is Rusty Reno at First Things, and welcome to the Editor's Desk podcast.

I'm delighted to have Robert P. George, professor at Princeton University, with us to talk about his discussion

of the upcoming Dobbs case before the Supreme Court. And so I'm not remiss. I'd like to thank

our sponsor for this podcast, the Center for Autism, Assertiveness and Social Sales Counseling and Coaching Services.

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Well, with that out of the way, Robbie, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you, Rusty. It's a pleasure to be on with you.

It was just great to have your voice in this symposium we did on the fate of Roe.

And you provided the lead discussion of the case and why you think Roe will go. And you made the bold prediction that the justices will,

in fact, overturn Roe. So maybe for our listeners, could you just sort of spell out, what is the

bankruptcy of Roe? The constitutional bankruptcy of Roe versus Wade, which was handed down in 1973, so we're

talking about 48 years ago, is that there is simply nothing in the text or the logic of its provisions

or its structure or the original understanding of the Constitution

or any of its provisions that supports the idea that there is a constitutional right to abortion

at all. The court in 1973, in an opinion by Justice Blackman, purported to find such a right in the due process clause of the 14th

Amendment, which simply says that no state shall deny any person of life, liberty, or property

without due process of law, which pretty straightforwardly and centrally means that you can't

execute someone that is deprive them of life. You can't execute someone, that is, deprive them of life,

you can't put someone in jail or prison, deprive them of liberty, or subject someone to a

monetary fine or forfeiture without giving him or her a fair trial. And there's a tradition

going back into the English common law, which we inherited

here in the United States, that enables us to understand what a fair trial means. It means,

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