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Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of IHeart Radio.

Good morning. This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's episode is going to be a longer one,

part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice

they might have for the rest of us. So today I am excited to welcome Chris Gillibow to the show.

Chris is the author of a brand new book called Time Anxiety. You might also know him from Side Hustle School or the

Art of Nonconformity. So, Chris, welcome to the show. Thank you so much, Laura. It's a huge honor to be

here. I'm a big fan of you, as you know, reading your blog for many years. So this is very exciting.

I'm excited to have you. So why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself? Sure, a little about

myself. Well, I was born at a young age. It's always like a dangerous question, right? So, like,

what is pertinent? You know, in my early 20s, I spent a few years as an aid worker in West Africa.

That was like a very transformative time for me, led to me traveling to a bunch of other places and just getting interested in like cross-cultural things.

I'd always kind of worked for myself. I was like this classic unemployable, you know, archetype.

Like I really like to work on things I'm excited about. It's very ADHD. But if I'm not excited about it, then I don't want to work on it at all.

So you have to kind of work for yourself. So did lots of little entrepreneurial projects, had a project of going

to every country in the world, which I started in 2008 and wrote a blog about it called The

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