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This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hey gang how we doing? I think many of us consider conflict to be a bad thing. We want to avoid it at all

costs for some of us. Today's guest really changed my mind about this. Her argument is

that conflict is both inevitable and

necessary and done well can even be healthy. Of course, as we all know, it's very

easy and very seductive to do conflict poorly, the term for that, according to today's

guest, is high conflict, and high conflict can lead to all sorts of intractable and devastating situations.

The good news is that healthy conflict is a skill.

So today we're going to talk about how to practice it and how to avoid the briar patch

of high conflict.

My guest is Amanda Ripley who has literally written the book on the subject.

Her book is called High Conflict and she has gone on to co-found a media and training company that

helps people reimagine conflict that organization is called good conflict.

Prior to her book on conflict she wrote two two other books, The Smartest Kids in the World,

and The Unthinkable.

In this conversation, we talk about the key differences between healthy conflict and high

conflict, five steps for getting out of or avoiding high conflict.

Why this is a golden age for so-called conflict entrepreneurs

and how to spot them in your orbit

and actually how to gauge whether you might be

one in certain circumstances. We talk about a concept called looping which is a

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