There are some people that absolutely are not for mutuality, they're not for

secure relating except for themselves and it's not really secure relating it's power over.

So the only distinction that we have is like you're on the journey of mutuality and

justice and human rights or you're not.

But it's not a gender thing, it's not a Republican Democrat thing,

it's not a liberal conservative.

It's not.

This is a warm path for anybody who's willing to uncover the stuff that we need to uncover to be able to be, you know, basically our best wisest, big-hearted self, and then you get to do whatever you want to do with that

because if you really are on the journey it means you're interested in beyond just

yourself like that's one of the requirements So if you're interested in supporting and creating fairness beyond you,

you're on our bus, you're on the earning security bus, we welcome you and yeah, let's go for this ride.

Welcome to Therapist Uncensored.

Building on decades of professional experience this podcast tackles

neurobiology, modern attachment, and more in an

honest way that's helpful in healing humans. Your session begins now with Dr. Ann

Kelly and Sue Marriott. Hey everyone, welcome to Therapists and Censored.

I'm Anne Kelly.

And I'm Sue Marriott and you have just joined a podcast that we've been doing

this for how long ago?

Eight years believe or not.

We're starting the eighth season although I think we quit calling them seasons

because that's how podcasts have moved. That's true. So we've been doing this a long time and we have had the

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