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Austin Givens joins us today. He is professor of cybersecurity at Utica University. He's the editor of the

International Journal of Cybersecurity Intelligence and Cybercrime. He is also co-author of Homeland

Security and Introduction, the subject of which is our topic today. Welcome, Professor Givens.

Thank you for having me, Mark.

Do you want to give a quick credit to your co-author?

Absolutely. My co-author is Nathan Bush, our mutual friend at Christopher Newport University,

as well as Alan Burson, who is at Harvard, as well as with the Woodrow Wilson Center for

International Scholars in Washington, were instrumental contributors to this project.

So this is their success as much as mine, and I'm deeply grateful for them.

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