Hi everyone. I'm Nikolai Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian Soan Wealth Fund. And today, I'm thrilled to welcome Dan Pink, who has written seven New York Times bestsellers. He's done groundbreaking work on the power of regret, work, creativity, behaviorals, and so on. And so today we'll talk mainly about regret, drive, and timing, like when.

So, welcome, Dan.

Thank you, thank you.

Great to be here.

Great.

So your latest book, The Power of Regret, explores that we should kind of learn from our regrets.

Now, my philosophy has always been to kind of try to learn from it and move on, but you think a bit differently.

No, I think that's, I think we're actually fairly close. What I'm really pushing back against is the idea, especially here in America, where people

say, I don't have any regrets.

Everything happens for a reason, that the path to a life well lived is to be positive all

the time, never be negative, to always look forward, never look back.

And that is profoundly bad advice.

What would you want to kind of write about this?

I had regrets.

Of my own.

Such as?

Well, I mean, the catalyzing moment was when our elder daughter graduated from university,

and I was sitting in this very large auditorium.

And I was having this kind of the out-of-body experience that many parents have where you see a kid and you think like just yesterday, this 22-year-old woman was two years old.

How did this happen?

And then internally I thought, how is it possible for me to have a 22-year-old kid when I'm like only 25 myself?

And it just didn't compute.

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