If you're at a party and you see a group of 10 people in a circle, you can be sure that there's probably somebody very funny or very famous in that circle.

Like holding a conversation together of that size requires a center

or it requires a pattern, right, it requires a pattern. It requires a design. And so the oldest design for a conversation that I know of is the circle. Native Americans and many many traditional cultures would come together and they would sit in a circle.

And there's the side, the talking stick, the passing of the piecepipe, everyone speaks.

Everyone gets to speak and we speak in turn.

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Daniel welcome to the unmistakable creative.

Thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

Thanks for having me.

I'm really excited.

Yeah, it is my pleasure to have you here.

It's funny because even, you know, on the cover of your book,

the one of the blurbs is actually from a former guest Dave Gray

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