And he grabbed, when I opened his door to the check, he grabbed the door and he pushed it all the way open and he grabbed the frame on the other side and he's leaning into me and he's so angry.

He's all red and his veins are sticking out and he's spitting.

And he was so close to me that that spit is getting on my face.

And he's telling me all these things and he would only let go long enough to point at me again. I finally got myself together well enough to where I could pull my husband.

And I wanted to tell him what happened and I wanted him to protect me and I wanted him to

tell me what to do and tell me that I was going to be okay and he said Fred just called and I said

what did he tell you what happened and he said yeah he told me that you lost your biggest client today and you were so upset

that he had to walk out, walk you outside and calm you down.

And that he thought that I should be ready to take you to the hospital and check you in because you are not in a state of

mind to be at home or with your kids or something like that and i said what are you talking about

what kind of hospital are you talking about and he said i think we might need to have you assessed.

Unbelievable. Welcome back to part two of my interview with Melanie Contreras, a former co-host on Joni Lamb's

Table Talk program on Daystar TV. She also worked for 15 years as a senior certified trainer for

Fred and Anna Kendall's Life Languages program.

And until 2016, she was married to Greg Brondo, the former head of IT at Daystar TV,

and Greg was the one who discovered the emails between Marcus Lamb and his mistress in 2007.

So if you miss part one, that was a real eye-opener, and you're going to want to go back and listen to that.

But now I pick up my interview with Melanie, where she describes a really dark side to Fred Kendall.

This man counseled so many Christian couples, but given his own controlling behavior, just what kind of counseling did he offer?

So they get married and she's not a believer, and she describes Fred as kind of he knew the

rules of Christianity, but didn't really seem to have a relationship

with God at this point. It goes very poorly. He's very controlling. He had been in the Marines.

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