All right, everybody. Welcome back to the All In podcast. We've got an incredible crew today. Don't

forget to go to our YouTube, blah, blah, blah, subscribe. And make sure you check out Freiburg's

surprise drop with his hero, Ray Dahlia, live on all platforms today. How did that come about? Freeberg,

a little surprise drop. Just great. I was talking with Ray

about his new book, which he just published on how countries go broke, obviously. Which country is

going broke now, Friedrich? America. I think he talks a lot about the historical context of what's

gone on with the debt cycles in different

countries. And basically at the end of the book, he has a pretty, I think, important recommendation

to try and get the U.S. to roughly 3% of GDP is our net deficit, net of all expense,

including interest expense. So that's the recommendation

to the administration. I think it's pretty timely with the change in administration. Anyway,

great topics to talk through and really important both. Awesome. Well done. And we are super delighted

to have in the Red Throne, Travis Cowan.

He is the co-founder and CEO of Cloud Kitchens.

He also worked in the cab business for a little bit, co-founder and former CEO of Uber.

And, yeah, we had a great interview at the All In Summit last year, and he's back up from his media hiatus.

He's been in the lab working on Cloud Kitchens.

How you doing, brother?

I'm doing really well.

I got to say, just like at the summit, Jason, it's an honor to be in the presence of such a prominent Uber investor.

Absolutely.

Absolutely. I mean, finally, somebody has recognized my contribution.

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