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Hello, I'm Michelle Quint, the director of audio over here at Ted.

So something a little different today.

It's an interview featuring the host of Sincerely X, Sarah Kaye, in conversation with Debbie

Millman, host of Design Matters, another podcast in the Ted Audio Collective.

We thought you might enjoy getting to know Sarah a little better through one of Debbie's

signature, deeply personal interviews.

If you like what you hear, you can find and follow Design Matters wherever you're listening

to this.

Okay, I'll let Sarah and Debbie take it from here.

The universe has already written the poem you are planning on writing.

And this is why you can do nothing but point at the flock of starlings whose bodies rise

and fall in inherited choreography, swarming the sky in a sweeping curtain that for one

blistering moment forms the unmistakable shape of a giant bird flapping against the sky.

And is why your mouth forms an, oh, that is not a gasp.

But rather the beginning of, oh, of course, as in, of course, the heart of a blue whale

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