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Ordinarily, if we're talking about a book on this show, it is something brand new.

But today we're looking into a book published 85 years ago that detailed how the Nazis managed to build their sinister regime right under the noses of millions of ordinary citizens

who failed to object in any meaningful way.

The complacent citizens were Christian Germans, who at best did not defend their Jewish fellow citizens and at worst participated directly in their persecution.

How was this possible? We asked today. And the answer in part is that for Christian Germans, the Nazis managed to preserve something close enough to normal life to allow them to think it wasn't in their interest to stand in the way of genocide.

From KERA in Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd.

The book was titled The Dual State, a contribution to the theory of dictatorship.

And its author was a German Jewish lawyer who fled Berlin in 1938 and eventually

landed at the University of Chicago. Ernst Frankel died 50 years ago, but a modern-day law

professor finds Frankl's ideas highly relevant now, and he joins us to talk about the book.

Aziz Hauck teaches law at the University of Chicago, and his essay for The Atlantic is titled,

America is watching the rise of a dual state.

Aziz, welcome to think.

Thanks for having me, Chris.

Ernst Frankel is such an interesting figure.

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