Most Protestants have completely accepted the idea that contraception is the technology is just an unambiguously good thing and that we should be planning our families thinking through when is it right.

When do we start? When do we stop? I mean, exactly the same as the culture. The Catholics are very against this idea.

The first part of his argument is the Catholics were right and I 100% agree with him but this is

not a conversation we're willing to have especially within Protestant circles.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the podcast. I am here with Phil Cot Noir.

Phil, thanks for joining me today.

My pleasure.

So Phil and I, we've been getting to collaborate on various things.

Phil has been helping with different editing projects with my new book, The Ruling Household.

And you can also read some of the articles Phil is writing word, Philcott noir.com, right?

Is that where we're at?

Yep.

And you got it.

Yeah. So check that out for sure. Yeah,

I love like Phil's a deep thinker and I'm excited to interact today on some of these topics.

So a couple, couple quick clips I wanted to chat with you, Phil, about today. So one was a comment

that Naval Ravikant made

that kind of caught my attention.

So some of you guys are very familiar with Naval.

Some of you don't know anything about Naval.

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