Elon is clearly smart at something.

But I think people want to believe that Elon is smarter at more things than he actually is.

Like Elon's clearly has some sort of weird thing where he can inspire guys that are like him to do things that he wants them to do.

And so there's some managerial stuff that he can do sort of well.

But he's actually stupider than most people I've ever met because of the things that he believes.

I think he like isn't smart.

I don't think he's intelligent, but I think that he is like very cunning.

He really believes his own bullshit in a lot to a level that I think is like delusional but also like

necessary for him to shape reality to his will and then he does yeah but he's not like

smart your dig listeners are like gonna to hate this, by the way.

You always have like serious smart academics on.

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