And so to bring us all back today, we've actually lived to a period where there was a brief resurgence of the ultra-left post-Octrine.

And it very quickly liquidated.

I'm literally writing an article about it.

It very quickly liquidated to like Neokowskiism and then into like Bernie Sanders movement.

Yeah.

You saw that even with some communizers.

And then of course, you know, like the diehardt sectarian ultra-leftists are left communists.

I'll quit losing the slur because no.

It was more like into Momentum, UK and Labor Party, right?

Because it was happening in the Atlantic.

It was.

I mean, so that's where you see like the people who picked up the economists and end up in like.

Novara Media. I mean, so that's where you see, like, the people who picked up the economists and end up in, like, Navarra media.

Navarra media ended up being, like, basically Corbinites.

Or if you look at the, the trajectory around Fisher, which is like socialist post-Marxism into just Corbinism, into actually fairly pathetic defenses of Sariza before he leaves public life and then kills

himself two years later. I mean, there really is a sense in which this workerism actually came

from people who were defeated. I think you even see it in Graberism. Like, Grimber's really

into like the Zapatistas and strategic disinvestment.

And I mean, if you actually look at what he's actually saying,

he's saying anarchism is possible

if we just ignore the central government

instead of trying to overthrow it.

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