You're about to see a fascinating conversation I had with Dave Ramsey, where we talk about how he makes money, the advantages of in-person versus remote, a project that he lost millions of dollars on that I think has underlying lessons that any business owner can take from them.

And finally, five stages of scaling, all entrepreneurs go through. I think you're going to love it. Enjoy.

Welcome everyone to the game. I'm here with Dave Ramsey, the man, the myth,

the legend. Honor to be back with you, my friend. I'm so excited with everything is happening

with you guys. You're blowing up, man. I'm proud to watch you. It's great. Well, thank you.

We're trying to, trying to follow in the Ramsey footsteps. There's so much stuff that I had written down and prepared for today, and I doubt we'll get to all of it. But if you could walk me through, just kind of lave the land in terms of

Ramsey's solutions as the business exists today, because I think it'll be helpful for the audience

to give context. Yeah, what ended up happening with us was we, classic entrepreneurs, you know,

we were a wee bit ADD. And so, you know, just something, something flashy and

shiny went in front of us. We would look at it because, but it all came through the funnel of or the

filter of, does this serve our mission? And our mission is just to help people with common sense

education and empowerment in

some area in their life it started in the money piece and so when I first started I was doing a free

I was working for free at a talk radio station doing a little talk radio show on the local station

and I print a little book started selling it out of the trunk of my car. So publishing was born, right?

Then we did an event at the local Ramada Inn, so live events were born.

And so each of these, in those days, everything was analog.

Of course, the Internet comes along, and one of these kids working for me comes in and goes,

hey, we need a website.

And I'm like, what's that?

And so we built a

website on one of those tiny little antique, you ought to look them up. They're cool. Those little,

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