Hey guys and welcome to episode 109 of the O. C. D.

Poodcast. and welcome to episode 109 of the O. C.com Podcast.

Now in this episode, I was honored to get on Dr.

Jonathan a brammowitz.

Jonathan is kind of a legend in the

a city world and maybe you've heard of him maybe you haven't but he's one of the

most influential people in

ocid research and he's done some of the best research in ocid

over the last two decades. And the reason I wanted to get him on is, A, because, I mean, he arguably has as much, if not more knowledge on O. C OCD recovery than anyone else on this wonderful planet.

So I knew he was going to be great to chat to it and I thoroughly enjoyed my time with him.

I think he has a good sense about him and a good sense of humor as

which always makes for a great interview. But Jonathan is a clinical

psychologist for private practice in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,

and specialised in treatment of OCD.

He's also the professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of North Carolina. He's written a couple of

self-help books and published over 250 scientific articles, books and book

chapters. I laugh because that's a heck of a lot. And we get into his Ferribi story, why start treating OCD

and why research it?

I ask him the question, you know,

if Feribiotic outcomes are so good in ERP, meaning if ERP is so effective, to me it begs the question,

is there such a thing as treatment resistant OCD?

And I loved his answer on this.

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