Hello and welcome back to another episode of Franklin Covey's Twice Weekly podcast on leadership with Scott Miller.

That's me. I am your host and interviewer each week on Tuesdays and Fridays where twice

weekly we interview some of the world's most profound thought leaders, creators, innovators,

artists, scientists, people that have done sometimes outrageous things or survived unspeakable tragedies

that have some of the courage and the discipline to come on

to our podcast and teach you about what they've learned, about what they've lived through,

what they've discovered or uncovered in the collective hopes of making you a better leader,

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And today, our guest is an expert on a nuanced but fascinating topic about rituals.

He is a Harvard Business School professor.

He is the author of the book, The Ritual Effect,

from habit to ritual, harness the surprising power of everyday actions. His name is Mike Norton.

He's joining us from Cambridge, where all the smart people seem to be these days. Mike Norton,

welcome to On Leadership.

Thanks so much, Scott. Really great to be here.

I say Cambridge, because, you know, I mean, Stanford gets a lot of credit also, right?

But I mean, most of them are either in Cambridge or out there in Stanford.

Both places are always fascinating to visit.

Mike, today we're going to focus in on all things ritual because, like it or not, you're the world's expert.

As I said so, that's good enough for everybody.

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