This idea of touching two worlds is about my experience going back and forth between the world of

aliveness and the world of grief. Really had a profound experience of using MDMA to have a different

reckoning with my own grief and with my father's death. How do we use these tools, which are

biochemical, they're therapeutic, but they're also really

spiritual in nature. We have to fight for the integration of our full selves in our healing work.

All right, welcome to The Big Leap. We have a very special guest, Dr. Sherry Walling,

and she's going to be talking about grief, grief and psychedelics, grief in the circus.

And one of my biggest takeaways from this is I got to ask a very deep touching question about

dealing with the grief of the upcoming loss of my parents and how we're dealing with that

as a family with my other three siblings. It was really, really,

really powerful and meaningful to me. This was a fascinating, fascinating conversation because what

you're going to hear are some new ways to be with grief, some new surprising ways that you can

deal with grief, which is something that touches everyone.

So I really want you to pay attention to this, not only in your mind, but also in your heart,

because I found it incredibly moving.

Dr. Sherry.

Ooh, this is going to be a fabulous conversation in which we talk about how grief transforms

and makes you different than you expected.

Not always worse.

Sometimes it has deep, deep lessons that help make your life better.

All right.

Well, all that and more on this episode of The Big Leap.

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